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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2005-November-30, 04:27

Scoring: MP


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Posted 2005-November-30, 04:44

I would still open 1. Full opening values, and a game is not out of the question.
For all that I know, pard is 4-4 in the majors, so I would not be unduly worried.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 05:07

I open 1.


I risk driving opps to a major suit partscore making, but against that, there are 2 alternative scenarios for a decent score:

a. it's our hand, pard has a limit hand, and with this hand I'd gladly accept a game invitation

b. it's a partscore hand, and I would not mind competeing to 3 diamonds, when I hope that if they compete with 3M they'll go down (after all, they did not open 3rd seat)

All in all, I consider the odds of bidding better than putting all the eggs in one basket and passing.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 05:14

If I can't open 2, then I open 3. In 4th seat this is constructive, 10-15 or so.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 05:23

I simply can't pass that.

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  Posted 2005-November-30, 05:31

Count me in for 3.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 05:36

Blofeld, on Nov 30 2005, 11:31 AM, said:

Count me in for 3.

I think 3D is better used for a gambling-type hand, with better intermediates than this and at most one outside control.

In my opinion, a normal, full opening with a minor can be simply opened 1m, even if the minor is KQxxxx.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 06:06

Hello everyone

I like to upgrade hands, but this one is still a 1D opening bid.

I open 1D and rebid 2D to suggest a long suit. Pretty well describes my hand.

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Posted 2005-November-30, 08:47

I would open 1. At IMPs pass comes to mind as well.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 08:49

1D for me as slam is still possible.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 10:17

1D =14 Pearson points, plus upgrade for honors, plus upgrade for 6-4.
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Posted 2005-November-30, 10:27

This is a good example of why some of these 'Rules' that we hear so much about are only guidelines. The Rule of 15 would suggest passing, but I doubt that you will find much support for that point of view here or in real life.

I would prefer to bid a slightly heavy (because of the controls) 2, I am not unhappy that our methods prevent that. 1 would be a very close second choice, and may well be a better bid anyway so 1 it is.

Change my hand to 1=3=5=4 or (worse) 1-3-4-5 and I begin to have doubts, but a decent 6-4 gives me lots of reason to believe this is our hand.

Nothing in life comes with 100% guarantees, and opening could be the route to a minus score, but experience suggests the pecentages favour bidding.
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