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Matchpoints 6 What do you open?

Poll: What is your call as dealer? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your call as dealer?

  1. Pass (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  2. 1D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2C (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  4. 2NT (12 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  5. 3C (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  6. Other (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2005-November-28, 10:47

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What is your choice of calls as dealer?

Your options are:

Pass
1♦: 11-15, 4+♦, unbalanced hand. Longer clubs allowed.
2♣: 11-15, 6+♣, may be balanced or unbalanced, but partner will not expect 4+ diamonds.
2NT: 6-10, at least 5-5 in both minors
3♣: Natural Preempt in clubs

Note 1♣ would be artificial 16+.
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Posted 2005-November-28, 11:06

Well I have the 2NT opening available, so may as well use it.

Would I really bid 2NT on a 5-5 six-count at vul? It seems to me that a vulnerable 2NT should show something more like this hand, although perhaps with the minor suit honors more evenly distributed. I like to show my shape on auctions like these, even when one of the suits is weak, and 2NT shows ten cards whereas 3♣ would show only six.
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Posted 2005-November-28, 11:21

I find it close between 2NT and 2♣.

what is your standard agreement to open 11-13 HCP hands with 4♦+6♣?
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Posted 2005-November-28, 11:28

I'd like to open this at the 5 level (if I can)
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Posted 2005-November-28, 11:56

2NT for me, I considered 3C and 1D.
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Posted 2005-November-28, 12:23

hrothgar, on Nov 28 2005, 05:28 PM, said:

I'd like to open this at the 5 level (if I can)

You can: open 5♣ :P

As for me, I'd try a bread-and-butter 2NT :P
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Posted 2005-November-28, 12:28

other= 5clubs.
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Posted 2005-November-28, 12:45

Hi,

2NT, after discovering I play it.
Sry, what's the point playing it, when
you dont use it, you would like to hear
a 4 card D suit, you would like to hear
a preempt club raise, bid it.

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Posted 2005-November-28, 13:52

I prefer 3C, but would never bid this when NV.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-November-28, 18:12

5♣ for me also
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Posted 2005-November-29, 03:25

P_Marlowe, on Nov 28 2005, 07:45 PM, said:

Hi,

2NT, after discovering I play it.
Sry, what's the point playing it, when
you dont use it, you would like to hear
a 4 card D suit, you would like to hear
a preempt club raise, bid it.

Marlowe

Agree totally ! :)

If you have the bid to show both suits bid it !

Better to involve partner in the preempt than discover he has ♦ after the unilateral bid of 5♣ ! Come on guys, bridge is a partnership game ! :)

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Posted 2005-November-29, 03:41

2♣ for me. I really don't have 5 Diamonds, this is a 1 1/2 suiter not a 2-suiter.
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Posted 2005-November-29, 07:41

Well you can see problem 2 for the complete hand. I'm not sure what East would have done over 2NT or 5♣, but if he acted it might have been very difficult for them to get a good score. Analyzing the hands, I believe 5♣ will make, but how much can we get out of 5♦?
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Posted 2005-November-29, 10:06

You have the additional advantage of the lower ranking suit being longer. 2NT (unusual) would be my choice after an initial pass and opp bids if I didn't have the 2NT toy available.
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Posted 2005-November-29, 10:09

P_Marlowe, on Nov 28 2005, 01:45 PM, said:

2NT, after discovering I play it.
Sry, what's the point playing it, when
you dont use it, you would like to hear
a 4 card D suit, you would like to hear
a preempt club raise, bid it.

And how! You lose the 2NT 20-21 to not use the bid? What will pard think other than, he can't have that hand, he would have opened 2NT and then you get to the wrong spot. Didn't Mama say not to lie?
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Posted 2005-November-29, 10:21

Al_U_Card, on Nov 29 2005, 04:09 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Nov 28 2005, 01:45 PM, said:

2NT, after discovering I play it.
Sry, what's the point playing it, when
you dont use it, you would like to hear
a 4 card D suit, you would like to hear
a preempt club raise, bid it.

And how! You lose the 2NT 20-21 to not use the bid? What will pard think other than, he can't have that hand, he would have opened 2NT and then you get to the wrong spot. Didn't Mama say not to lie?

In this particular system, I don't think the 2NT 20-21 bid is a loss. It's personal, but that's my view.

As per using a convention just because it's on your card, I don't agree with that. That's basically saying that you cannot use any judgment. For example, if the hand were:

♠x
♥x
♦AQT9x
♣KTxxxx

I would not open it 2NT as I don't consider it a preempt. I would open it 1♦ and bid all the way up to 5♣ on my own (if bidding or vul didn't warn me otherwise). I would also prefer this since if partner has a big balanced hand, it is the only way we can bid a small or grand slam when it's right. E.g. give partner:

♠ATxx
♥AJx
♦Kxxx
♣Ax

And we could find 7♦ easily if uninterrupted. If I started with 2NT, it would be a lot harder.
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Posted 2005-November-29, 11:37

Not so much my point as "help pard understand your hand" and use your judgement in a way that he will understand and hopefully appreciate.
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Posted 2005-November-29, 16:01

Al_U_Card, on Nov 29 2005, 07:09 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Nov 28 2005, 01:45 PM, said:

2NT, after discovering I play it.
Sry, what's the point playing it, when
you dont use it, you would like to hear
a 4 card D suit, you would like to hear
a preempt club raise, bid it.

And how! You lose the 2NT 20-21 to not use the bid? What will pard think other than, he can't have that hand, he would have opened 2NT and then you get to the wrong spot. Didn't Mama say not to lie?

the gross disparity in suit quality between clubs and diamonds is a strong argument against trotting out a 2NT opening...
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Posted 2005-November-29, 16:39

Agree (with Richard).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-November-29, 17:00

hrothgar, on Nov 29 2005, 10:01 PM, said:

the gross disparity in suit quality between clubs and diamonds is a strong argument against trotting out a 2NT opening...

Well, but you do have FIVE diamonds, not four. Five trumps is much much more resistant to forces than four.
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