[Gerben42]

Hi all,

I have posted my version of the Fantoni-Nunes system online as a PS or PDF file. Hope you like it

http://www.geocities...dge/fantunes.ps

http://www.geocities...ge/fantunes.pdf

[Cascade]

This looks good thanks.

I can't see that there is a rebid for hands with four diamonds and exactly five clubs that open 1♣.

Have I missed something?

[Gerben42]

The idea is to open 1♦, then rebid 2♣ if you are not so strong, or 1NT if you are. In one version I had 2NT opener as those hands but it didn't seem to come up.

Thought about it some more after discussion with my partner. 1♣ - 1M - 3♦ is better for this hand than using it as a splinter. With fit you can always just bid 2♦ and advertise your splinter later on.

[cherdano]

Why is this in the Non-Natural System Discussion? Isn't this a very natural system?

Arend

[Gerben42]

The same reason Polish Club is in here. In "Natural systems" it's supposed to be SAYC / 2\1 etc.

[luke warm]

nice system, well presented gerben...

edit: but that symetric relay precision on your site is suhweeettt

This post has been edited by luke warm: 2005-November-13, 11:58

[cherdano]

Gerben42, on Nov 12 2005, 11:49 AM, said:

The same reason Polish Club is in here. In "Natural systems" it's supposed to be SAYC / 2\1 etc.

Yes. I was just making the point (ok, this has probably been made before) that this forum is badly named. I can't think of a system with a more natural opening bid structure. (Well ok I could replace your 2NT opening.)

Arend

[Gerben42]

Well EHAA might be more natural. Anyway I think it's very natural system too.

You can replace 2NT with something else it's a spare bid anyway. And MisIry is not really needed in this system either since you can just bid one suit (forcing) and then the other. I don't like it natural, but if you want it as such you can have it

[Cascade]

Gerben42, on Nov 12 2005, 09:22 PM, said:

The idea is to open 1♦, then rebid 2♣ if you are not so strong, or 1NT if you are. In one version I had 2NT opener as those hands but it didn't seem to come up.

Thought about it some more after discussion with my partner. 1♣ - 1M - 3♦ is better for this hand than using it as a splinter. With fit you can always just bid 2♦ and advertise your splinter later on.

This isn't very clear in notes:

"
1C 13+ 5+C unb. / 4414 / or 15+ bal.*
1D 13+ 4+D unbal. (4D5C possible)
...
1NT 12 - 14 (semi)bal., 5422, 5M poss."

and then under 1D opening

"and may include hands with 4D 5C if the
C suit is bad."

It wasn't all clear to me that with an ordinary hand like

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that I should open anything other than 1♣ and then it wasn't clear how I should rebid.

Are you suggesting opening 1♦ on any 4=5 minor hand?

[Flame]

Where is the FD version :-)
Thanks will try it.

[vang]

very nice, thanks for sharing it!

[kfgauss]

Very nice system and write-up, Gerben!

Some comments:

Cascade, on Nov 12 2005, 10:03 PM, said:

It wasn't all clear to me that with an ordinary hand like

Dealer:   Vul:   Scoring:

♠ 6 ♥ AQ5 ♦ J1086 ♣ AQJ53

that I should open anything other than 1♣ and then it wasn't clear how I should rebid.

Are you suggesting opening 1♦ on any 4=5 minor hand?

This is a very natural system. One is presumably more than welcome to open this hand, which has a good 5-card club suit, 1♣ and then rebid 2♣ over 1♦ or 1♥ (=♠), and raise 1♠ (=♥) to 2♥.

Perhaps this should be better documented, but in a writeup of Standard American, one would probably find that the 2m rebids are listed as 6+ but aren't really as well.

On a different topic, I'm slightly worried about the very big hands as Gazilli is only 18+ and jump shifts by opener aren't GF. Things are fine if partner has 6+ and can force to game over Gazilli (but still partner won't know quite how big a hand we have), but having to jump after bidding Gazilli when partner shows 0-5 seems likely to hurt.

It seems to me that with even wider-ranging 1-bids than standard that one shouldn't use the 3-level bids as one might in a Polish Club system where 1-bids are somewhat limited. I'd argue for at least one of Gazilli and jump shifts being GF. Does anyone know how Fantoni and Nunes bid really big hands?

Andy

[Gerben42]

Not sure, this situation seems to "never" come up. Probably since partner is 0 - 5 they just guess the final contract, and they are very good at this. Let me see if I can find any vugraph examples of this.

I made some changes and extensions in the updated version:

* 2NT opener that will be allowed in more places (strong minor 2-suiter)
* Wrote in some places where you can also bid with 5 cards only and not 6

[Gerben42]

001C=NYYYYYY52815+ balanced / 13+ 4+!C
001CP1D=YYYYYYY0080 - 5 any / 0 - 7 no 4M / 14+ bal.
001CP1DP1H=NYYYYYY235nat. can be 3-5 cards if 15-17 bal.
001CP1DP1S=NYYYYYY235nat. can be 3-5 cards if 15-17 bal.
001CP1DP1N=NYYYYYY220 - 22 balanced
001CP1DP1NP2C=YYYYYYYD08Stayman
001CP1DP1NP2D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H
001CP1DP1NP2H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S
001CP1DP1NP2S=YYYYYYYB08Weak in minor / invitational for 3NT
001CP1DP1NP2N=YYYYYYY5Both minors weak / strong
001CP1DP1NP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!C
001CP1DP1NP3D=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!D
001CP1DP1NP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
001CP1DP1NP3H=YYYYYYY0333!H 1!S GF
001CP1DP1NP3S=YYYYYYY0333!S 1!H GF
001CP1DP2C=NYYYYYY25813 - 17, 5+!C
001CP1DP2D=YYYYYYY52823+ bal. / GF with !C
001CP1DP2DP2H=YYYYYYYC08Relay
001CP1DP2DP2HP2N=NYYYYYY423 - 25 balanced
001CP1DP2DP2HP2S=YYYYYYY608GF 3-suited short !D (4441, 5440, 5431)
001CP1DP2DP2HP3C=NYYYYYY668GF,6+!C
001CP1DP2DP2HP3D=NYYYYYY648GF, 5!C 4!D
001CP1DP2DP2HP3H=NYYYYYY648GF 5!C 4!H
001CP1DP2DP2HP3S=NYYYYYY648GF 5!C 4!S
001CP1DP2DP2HP3N=NYYYYYY026 - 28 balanced
001CP1DP2H=NYYYYYY508SGF: 5!C 4!H, 3-suiter short !D, 1-suiter !C
001CP1DP2S=NYYYYYY448SGF, 5+!C 4!S
001CP1DP2N=YYYYYYY218 - 20 5+!C 4!D
001CP1DP2NP3C=YYYYYYYB08Puppet Stayman
001CP1DP2NP3D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H
001CP1DP2NP3H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S
001CP1DP2NP3S=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to 3NT
001CP1DP2NP3N=YYYYYYY25!S 4!H
001CP1DP3C=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, 6+!C
001CP1DP3D=NYYYYYY208SGF 5!C 4!D 2!H 2!S
001CP1DP3H=YYYYYYY408SGF 5!C 4!D 3!H 1!S
001CP1DP3S=YYYYYYY408SGF 5!C 4!D 3!S 1!H
001CP1DP3N=NYYYYYY1Solid !C with side stoppers
001CP1H=YYYYYYY5084+!S, 6+HCP
001CP1HP1S=NYYYYYY548Unbalanced 4+!H
001CP1HP1N=NYYYYYY215 - 17 balanced, no 4!S
001CP1HP1NP2C=YYYYYYYD08Checkback Stayman
001CP1HP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYYE08Minimum no 3!S
001CP1HP1NP2CP2H=YYYYYYYE08Maximum 3!S
001CP1HP1NP2CP2S=NYYYYYY238Minimum 3!S
001CP1HP1NP2CP2N=NYYYYYYEMaximum no 3!S
001CP1HP1NP2D=NYYYYYY158To play
001CP1HP1NP2H=NYYYYYY2485!S 4!H weak
001CP1HP1NP2S=NYYYYYY158Weak, 5+!S
001CP1HP2C=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!C
001CP1HP2D=YYYYYYY608Odwrotka: GF, 3+!S
001CP1HP2DP2H=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 4!S
001CP1HP2DP2S=NYYYYYY5449+, 4!S
001CP1HP2DP2N=YYYYYYY5Minimum, 5!S
001CP1HP2DP3C=YYYYYYY6089+, 5!S
001CP1HP2DP3D=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 6+!S
001CP1HP2DP3H=YYYYYYY6089+, 6+!S
001CP1HP2H=YYYYYYY608GF, unbal. <3!S
001CP1HP2HP2S=NYYYYYY5686+!S
001CP1HP2HP2N=YYYYYYYCRelay
001CP1HP2HP3C=NYYYYYY638!C Fit
001CP1HP2S=NYYYYYY238Minimum, 3/4!S
001CP1HP2N=NYYYYYY6GF balanced, no 3-card !S
001CP1HP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6!C 3!S
001CP1HP3D=YYYYYYY6014!S, splinter in !D
001CP1HP3H=YYYYYYY6014!S, splinter in !H
001CP1HP3S=NYYYYYY448Invite, 4-card support
001CP1HP3N=NYYYYYY1Solid !C with side stoppers
001CP1HP4C=YYYYYYY655GF 5!C 4!S 2!H 2!D
001CP1S=YYYYYYY5084+!H, 6+HCP
001CP1SP1N=NYYYYYY215 - 17 balanced, no 4!H
001CP1SP1NP2C=YYYYYYY508Checkback Stayman
001CP1SP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYYE08Minimum no 3!H
001CP1SP1NP2CP2H=NYYYYYY238Minimum 3!H
001CP1SP1NP2CP2S=YYYYYYY508Maximum 3!H
001CP1SP1NP2CP2N=YYYYYYY5Maximum no 3!H
001CP1SP1NP2D=NYYYYYY158To play
001CP1SP1NP2H=NYYYYYY158Weak, 5+!H
001CP1SP1NP2S=NYYYYYY648GF, 5!H 4!S
001CP1SP2C=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!C
001CP1SP2D=YYYYYYY608GF, 3+!H
001CP1SP2DP2H=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 4!H
001CP1SP2DP2S=NYYYYYY5449+, 4!H
001CP1SP2DP2N=YYYYYYY5Minimum, 5!H
001CP1SP2DP3C=YYYYYYY6089+, 5!H
001CP1SP2DP3D=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 6+!H
001CP1SP2DP3H=YYYYYYY6089+, 6+!H
001CP1SP2H=YYYYYYY238Minimum, 3/4!H
001CP1SP2S=YYYYYYY608GF, unbal. <3!H
001CP1SP2SP2N=YYYYYYYCRelay
001CP1SP2SP3C=NYYYYYY538!C Fit
001CP1SP2N=NYYYYYY6GF balanced, no 3-card !H
001CP1SP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6!C 3!H
001CP1SP3D=YYYYYYY601Splinter, 4!H short !D
001CP1SP3H=NYYYYYY448Invitational, 4-card support
001CP1SP3S=NYYYYYY701Splinter, 4!H and short !S
001CP1SP3N=NYYYYYY1Solid !C and side stoppers
001CP1SP4C=YYYYYYY658GF, 5!C 4!H 2!D 2!S
001CP1N=NYYYYYY28 - 10 bal.
001CP1NP2C=NYYYYYY158To play
001CP1NP2D=YYYYYYYC08Relay
001CP1NP2DP2H=YYYYYYY6085(+)!C
001CP1NP2DP2S=YYYYYYY6085(+)!D
001CP1NP2DP2N=YYYYYYY64333
001CP1NP2DP3C=YYYYYYY6484!C4!D32
001CP1NP2H=NYYYYYY648GF 4!H
001CP1NP2S=NYYYYYY648GF 4!S
001CP1NP2N=NYYYYYY4Invite
001CP1NP3C=NYYYYYY6686+!C GF
001CP2C=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!C
001CP2D=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!D
001CP2H=YYYYYYY2586 - 9, 5!H 4!S
001CP2S=YYYYYYY408Invitational, 5+4+ minors
001CP2N=YYYYYYY6GF, 5!H/!S 332
001CP2NP3C=YYYYYYYD08Asks which major
001CP2NP3D=YYYYYYYA085!H
001CP2NP3H=YYYYYYYA085!S
001CP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!C
001CP3D=NYYYYYY408Invitational, 6+!D
001CP3N=NYYYYYY111 - 13 bal. stopper in !H and !S
001CP3H=YYYYYYY53811 - 13 bal. stopper in !H not !S
001CP3S=YYYYYYY63811 - 13 bal., stopper in !S not !H
001D=NYYYYYY54813+, 4+!D unbalanced
001DP1H=YYYYYYY5080+ HCP, 4+!S
001DP1HP1S=YYYYYYY50813 - 20 4+!H
001DP1HP1N=YYYYYYY518+ any
001DP1HP2C=NYYYYYY24813 - 17 both minors
001DP1HP2D=NYYYYYY26813 - 17 6+!D
001DP1HP2H=NYYYYYY24818 - 20, 6!D 4!H
001DP1HP2S=NYYYYYY23813 - 17, 4(3)-card support
001DP1HP2N=NYYYYYY218 - 20, semisolid !D
001DP1HP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 15, 5!D 5!C
001DP1HP3D=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, 6!D 3!S
001DP1HP3H=YYYYYYY601Splinter, 21+ 4!S 1!H
001DP1HP3S=NYYYYYY44818 - 20, 4-card support
001DP1HP3N=NYYYYYY2Solid !D and side stoppers
001DP1S=YYYYYYY5080+HCP, 4+!H
001DP1SP1N=YYYYYYY518+ any
001DP1SP2C=NYYYYYY24813 - 17 both minors
001DP1SP2D=NYYYYYY26813 - 17 6+!D
001DP1SP2H=NYYYYYY23813 - 17, 4(3)-card support
001DP1SP2S=NYYYYYY24818 - 20, 6!D 4!S
001DP1SP2N=NYYYYYY218 - 20, semisolid !D
001DP1SP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 15, 5!D 5!C
001DP1SP3D=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, 6!D 3!H
001DP1SP3H=YYYYYYY44418 - 20, 4!H
001DP1SP3S=NYYYYYY50121+, splinter 4!H 1!S
001DP1SP3N=NYYYYYY2Solid !D and side stoppers
001DP1N=NYYYYYY20 - 8, no 4-card major
001DP1NP2C=NYYYYYY24813 - 20, both minors
001DP1NP2D=NYYYYYY25813 - 20, 5+!D
001DP1NP2N=NYYYYYY6GF
001DP1NP3C=NYYYYYY548SGF, both minors
001DP1NP2H=NYYYYYY548SGF, 4+!D 4!H
001DP1NP2S=NYYYYYY548SGF, 4+!D 4!S
001DP1NP3D=NYYYYYY268SGF, 6+!D
001DP1NP3H=NYYYYYY658GF 2-suiter !D!H
001DP1NP3S=NYYYYYY658GF 2-suiter !D!S
001DP2C=NYYYYYY5489+, 4+!C
001DP2CP2D=NYYYYYY5585+!D, possibly min.
001DP2CP2H=YYYYYYY5081!C444 / nat. reverse / GF !C Fit
001DP2CP2HP2S=YYYYYYYC08Relay
001DP2CP2S=NYYYYYY648Natural reverse
001DP2CP2N=YYYYYYY616 - 18 1!C444
001DP2CP3C=NYYYYYY238Minimum !C fit
001DP2CP3D=NYYYYYY568GF 6+!D
001DP2D=NYYYYYY5489+ HCP, 4+!D
001DP2H=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!H
001DP2S=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!S
001DP2N=NYYYYYY4Invitational balanced
001DP3C=YYYYYYY3086 - 8, 4+!D
001DP3D=NYYYYYY9580 - 5, 5+!D
001DP3N=NYYYYYY111 - 13 balanced
001H=NYYYYYY55813+, 5+!H, 18+ if balanced
001HP1S=YYYYYYY5040 - 10, 0 - 4!S, 3!H poss.
001HP1SP1N=NYYYYYY213 - 17, 4!S
001HP1SP2C=YYYYYYY508Gazilli: 13 - 17, 4+!C or 18+
001HP1SP2CP2D=YYYYYYY5086+ any
001HP1SP2CP2H=NYYYYYY1280 - 5, 2+!H
001HP1SP2D=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!D
001HP1SP2H=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!H
001HP1SP2S=NYYYYYY04818+, 6!H 4!S
001HP1SP2N=YYYYYYY518+, 6 - 4 or 5 - 5 !H + minor
001HP1SP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001HP1SP3D=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001HP1SP3H=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, semisolid !H
001HP1N=YYYYYYY55+!S
001HP1NP2C=YYYYYYY508Gazilli: 13 - 17, 4+!C or 18+
001HP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYY5086+ any
001HP1NP2CP2H=NYYYYYY1280 - 5, 2+!H
001HP1NP2D=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!D
001HP1NP2H=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!H
001HP1NP2S=NYYYYYY23813 - 17, 3+!S
001HP1NP2N=YYYYYYY518+, 6 - 4 or 5 - 5 !H + minor
001HP1NP2NP3C=YYYYYYYC08Relay
001HP1NP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001HP1NP3D=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001HP1NP3H=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, semisolid !H
001HP1NP3S=NYYYYYY43818 - 20, 3+!S
001HP2C=NYYYYYY638GF, 5+!C or balanced
001HP2D=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!D
001HP2H=NYYYYYY3386 - 8, 3+!H
001HP2S=NYYYYYY268Invitational, 6+!S
001HP2N=NYYYYYY612+, 4+!H
001HP3C=YYYYYYY5089 - 11, 4+!H
001HP3D=YYYYYYY4086 - 8, 4+!H
001HP3H=NYYYYYY9480 - 5, 4+!H
001S=NYYYYYY55813+, 5+!S, 18+ if balanced
001SP1N=YYYYYYY50 - 10, 3!S possible
001SP1NP2C=YYYYYYY508Gazilli: 13 - 17 4+!S or 18+
001SP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYY5086+ any
001SP1NP2CP2S=NYYYYYY1280 - 5, 2+!S
001SP1NP2CP2H=NYYYYYY2580 - 5, 5+!H
001SP1NP2D=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!D
001SP1NP2H=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!H
001SP1NP2S=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!S
001SP1NP2N=YYYYYYY518+, 6-4 or 5-5 !S + minor
001SP1NP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001SP1NP3D=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001SP1NP3H=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5
001SP1NP3S=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, semisolid !S
001SP2C=NYYYYYY638GF, 5+!C or balanced
001SP2D=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!D
001SP2H=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!H
001SP2S=NYYYYYY3386 - 8, 3+!S
001SP2N=YYYYYYY612+, 4+!S
001SP3C=YYYYYYY5089 - 11, 4+!S
001SP3D=YYYYYYY4486 - 8, 4+!S
001SP3H=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!H
001SP3S=NYYYYYY9480 - 5, 4+!S
001N=NYYYYYY312 - 14, 5M or 5422 possible
001NP2C=YYYYYYY508Stayman
001NP2D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H
001NP2H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S
001NP2S=YYYYYYYC08Inv NT or weak !C/!D or looking for 5!h/!S
001NP2SP2N=NYYYYYY2Minimum
001NP2SP2NP3C=NYYYYYY158To play
001NP2SP2NP3D=NYYYYYY158To play
001NP2SP2NP3H=NYYYYYY6383-card !H
001NP2SP2NP3HP3S=YYYYYYY608No 5-card major
001NP2SP2NP3HP3N=YYYYYYY25!S, no 5!H
001NP2SP2NP3S=NYYYYYY6383-card !S
001NP2SP2NP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
001NP2SP3C=YYYYYYY208Maximum
001NP2SP3CP3D=NYYYYYY158To play
001NP2SP3CP3H=NYYYYYY6383-card !H
001NP2SP3CP3HP3S=YYYYYYY608No 5-card major
001NP2SP3CP3HP3N=YYYYYYY25!S, no 5!H
001NP2SP3CP3S=NYYYYYY6383-card !S
001NP2SP3CP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
001NP2N=NYYYYYY5Both minors, weak or strong
001NP3C=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!C
001NP3D=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!D
001NP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
001NP3H=YYYYYYY6333!H 1!S GF
001NP3S=YYYYYYY6333!S 1!H GF
001NP4D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H
001NP4H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S
001NP4S=YYYYYYY708Ace Asking
001NP4C=YYYYYYY6085+!H 5+!S
001NP4N=NYYYYYY4Quantitative
002C=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!C unbal.
002CP2D=YYYYYYY508Relay
002CP2H=NYYYYYY258NF, 5+!H
002CP2S=NYYYYYY258NF, 5+!S
002CP2N=YYYYYYY4Inv. 5!S 4!H
002CP3C=NYYYYYY248Preemptive
002CP3D=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!D
002CP3H=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!H
002CP3S=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!S
002CP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
002D=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!D unbal.
002DP2H=YYYYYYY508Relay
002DP2S=NYYYYYY548GF, 4+!S
002DP2N=YYYYYYY5Inv+ with !C or GF one or both 5M
002DP3C=YYYYYYY408Inv. 5+!S 5+!H
002DP3D=NYYYYYY948Preemptive
002DP3H=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!H
002DP3S=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!S
002DP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
002H=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!H unbal.
002HP2S=YYYYYYY508Relay
002HP2N=YYYYYYY5Invite+, 5+!S
002HP3C=NYYYYYY408Invite, 6+!C
002HP3D=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!D
002HP3H=NYYYYYY948Preemptive
002HP3S=NYYYYYY668GF, 6+!S
002HP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
002S=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!S unbal.
002SP2N=YYYYYYY5Relay
002SP3C=YYYYYYY508Forcing, 5+!H
002SP3D=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!D
002SP3H=NYYYYYY568GF, 6+!C
002SP3S=NYYYYYY948Preemptive
002SP3N=NYYYYYY1To play
002N=YYYYYYY218 - 19 bal. no 5M
002NP3C=YYYYYYY508Strong Stayman
002NP3CP3N=NYYYYYY24!H 4!S
002NP3CP3S=NYYYYYY3444!S no 4!H
002NP3CP3H=YYYYYYY3444!H no 4!S
002NP3CP3D=YYYYYYY308no 4!H/!S
002NP3D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H
002NP3H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S
002NP3N=NYYYYYY25!S 4!H NF
002NP3S=YYYYYYYA08To play 3NT, strong minor 1-suiter
002NP3SP3N=NYYYYYYBForced
002NP3SP3NP4C=YYYYYYY708RKCB !C
002NP3SP3NP4D=YYYYYYY708RKCB !D

This post has been edited by Gerben42: 2005-November-14, 15:23

[cherdano]

Gerben, can you say a bit more about your experience with the 2-level openings? Scotty (Michael Rosenberg) had the comment on vuegraph that they "... are somewhat unsound, but difficult to play against."

Is maybe part of the difficulty that, as opponent, it is not so clear whether one is mostly competing for a part-score (as after a standard one-level opening) or trying to get to game (as after a standard two-level opening)?

Arend

[Gerben42]

First on big hands opposite nothing: Guess they just guess the contract:

---

Bermuda Bowl Final 2003, board 61.
1♠ - 1NT
2♣ - 2NT
3♠ - Pass

2 down when ♠ broke 5 - 2.

At the other table Soloway opened a strong ♣, Versace overcalled 1♦, Hamman passed and Lauria bid 1♠. Then Soloway passed

[luke warm]

gerben, thanks for the FD file... maybe i just didn't see it but the 1M says "5+ or 18+ if balanced"... what is a 3=5=2=3 15 count?

[Gerben42]

About the 2-level openings, I'm sure Luis can confirm this: Most of the times you know where your side is going, opponents are usually not so sure (as Michael Rosenberg also suggested).

Sometimes you yourself don't know where you are going, but even then opponents feel obliged to join in, sometimes helping you solve your evaluation problem, sometimes helping you by bidding something that you can double

Over the course of one league season (2nd Bundesliga) we missed our own game in a side suit once but opponents got in trouble (miss game, bid hopeless game, or bid wrong game) much more. The part score swings seemed to even out. We didn't get hit for an expensive penalty.

[Gerben42]

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what is a 3=5=2=3 15 count?

Open 1♣. The Italians seem to open this 1M but I don't know what they do after the forcing 1NT...

[luke warm]

thanks (i still love that symetric precision, putting it in FD as i get the time)... btw, you don't happen to have WJ05 in FD, do you? you do a lot of work already, so it's understandable if you don't