1♠ 2N
3♦ 4N
3♦ is shortage, it's also an Ace. How do I now respond to the keycard ask?
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if my shortage is an ace...
#1
Posted 2012-July-30, 16:30
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#3
Posted 2012-July-30, 16:32
mr1303, on 2012-July-30, 16:31, said:
As you would normally. This is not exclusion.
Obviously this is not exclusion.
If I include the ♦Ace in the keycard response - how will partner work out which KC's I have?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#5
Posted 2012-July-30, 19:47
The purpose of RKC is to discover whether the partnership is missing two keycards for a small slam or one KC for a grand --then, maybe specific Kings, but not specifically which of the five keys is missing.
If Partner needed different information from that, partner should have been doing something other than Wooding.
The typical situation where your concern about which Ace might be missing would be if partner has Wooded with an open suit (XX). If that is the concern, then discuss with him gently your objection to his doing that.
If Partner needed different information from that, partner should have been doing something other than Wooding.
The typical situation where your concern about which Ace might be missing would be if partner has Wooded with an open suit (XX). If that is the concern, then discuss with him gently your objection to his doing that.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
#6
Posted 2012-July-31, 09:28
I agree but add something to consider.
By agreement we treat stiff Ace or King as doubletons and alert as such. When the 2nt bidder has a source of tricks in ♦ here, showing shortness in the suit turns them off.
It sort of fits in with those that would choose to open 1nt with that holding.
By agreement we treat stiff Ace or King as doubletons and alert as such. When the 2nt bidder has a source of tricks in ♦ here, showing shortness in the suit turns them off.
It sort of fits in with those that would choose to open 1nt with that holding.
When a deaf person goes to court is it still called a hearing?
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#7
Posted 2012-July-31, 09:31
I think that the answer is simply that in this shortage scenario you should never immediately ace ask. We have a "compulsory" non-serious 3NT/serious cue bid after a shortage, and when you cue the diamond partner knows you have either the ace or a void. Even though playing "1st or 2nd round controls" you don't cue a non-ace singleton, as partner knows that already. Then when partner ace asks, ignore that ace. He therefore knows how many keycards you have.
This doesn't work if the shortage is clubs, as a serious cue bid will leave you no room to show it. However, switch to serious 3NT here (or in any GF situation) and it's OK, or you could agree that 3M is serious and 3NT non-serious.
This doesn't work if the shortage is clubs, as a serious cue bid will leave you no room to show it. However, switch to serious 3NT here (or in any GF situation) and it's OK, or you could agree that 3M is serious and 3NT non-serious.
#8
Posted 2012-July-31, 09:31
ggwhiz, on 2012-July-31, 09:28, said:
By agreement we treat stiff Ace or King as doubletons and alert as such. When the 2nt bidder has a source of tricks in ♦ here, showing shortness in the suit turns them off.
Why? A stiff Ace is a lot different to a stiff King.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#9
Posted 2012-July-31, 10:21
jillybean, on 2012-July-31, 09:31, said:
Why? A stiff Ace is a lot different to a stiff King.
Personal preference after showing a stiff with a stiff King and turning pard off with holdings like AQx, AJxxx or QJ10x and enough in the other suits.
When a deaf person goes to court is it still called a hearing?
What is baby oil made of?
What is baby oil made of?
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